Will SCOTUS Allow Conversion Therapy for Minors?
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Will SCOTUS Allow Conversion Therapy for Minors?

Oct 13, 2025 · 1h 49m

About this episode

<p>Leah, Melissa, and Kate are back in business, breaking down this term’s first week of arguments at SCOTUS, including a challenge to Colorado’s ban on conversion therapy for minors. Also covered: the indictment of New York’s Attorney General Letitia James, the continuing legal fights against Trump’s efforts to send the National Guard into Portland and Chicago, and Attorney General Pamela Jo Bondi’s pugnacious testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee. Then, Kate and Leah speak with Yale Law Professor John Fabian Witt about his book <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-radical-fund-how-a-band-of-visionaries-and-a-million-dollars-upended-america-john-fabian-witt/7035d63ad6991b72">The Radical Fund: How a Band of Visionaries and a Million Dollars Upended America</a>, which chronicles how philanthropist Charles Garland bankrolled progressive causes through his American Fund for Public Service.</p><ul><li>If you want to learn more about <i>Buck</i> v. <i>Bell </i>(the 1927 case Justice Alito referenced in the <i>Chiles</i> arguments), <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/three-generations-of-imbeciles/id1469168641?i=1000486246847">listen to our deep dive</a> from 2020</li></ul><p>Favorite things:</p><p>Leah: Protest videos from Portland and Chicago; <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/taylor-swift-life-of-a-showgirl/id1444729607?i=1000730383698">The Sentimental Garbage podcast on The Life of a Showgirl</a></p><p>Kate: <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/writers-lovers-lily-king/c54f26ea3c4c7392?ean=9780802148544&next=t">Writers & Lovers</a> by Lily King, <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/creation-lake-a-novel-rachel-kushner/67139ee2e315ac6a?ean=9781982116538&next=t">Creation Lake</a> by Rachel Kushner; <a href="https://redcloverranch.com/">Red Clover Ranch</a> in Wisconsin; wine and cider from <a href="https://www.lasmujeres.farm/">Las Mujeres</a></p><p>Melissa: <a href="https://visionandjustice.org/">Vision & Justice</a>; <a href="https://www.instagram.com/misstoypoodle/">Miss Toy Poodle</a> on Instagram</p><p>Leah will be in conversation with UCLA Law Professor Rick Hasen at the Hammer Museum in Los Angeles on Tuesday, Oct 14, 2025 at 7:30 PM. Details <a href="https://hammer.ucla.edu/programs-events/2025/leah-litman-supreme-court">here</a>.</p><p></p><p>Get tickets for STRICT SCRUTINY LIVE – The Bad Decisions Tour 2025! </p><ul> <li>3/6/26 – San Francisco</li> <li>3/7/26 – Los Angeles</li> </ul><p></p><p>Learn more: <a href="http://crooked.com/events">http://crooked.com/events</a></p><p>Order your copy of Leah's book, <a href="https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Lawless/Leah-Litman/9781668054628">Lawless: How the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes</a></p><p>Follow us on <a href="https://www.instagram.com/strictscrutinypodcast/?hl=en">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.threads.net/@strictscrutinypodcast">Threads</a>, and <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/strictscrutiny.bsky.social">Bluesky</a></p>